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Mar 04, 2006

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Caelius Spinator

I first heard of +Sauls when he introduced at last GC, "Diversity: Affirmations for Facilitating Emergence of Consensus." We may be electing Dogbert Presiding Bishop.

I like how he both voted for Ackerman's resolution and consented to +VGR.

Jay

Caelius, I think you misunderstood the voting info at Louie Crew's site... it appears that +Sauls voted against +Ackerman's resolution.

But I'm glad your note led me there... because I learned that my bishop did vote for both. Even more puzzling given his equally-if-not-more-progressive vote in favor of Blessing of Same-Gender Unions to be added to Book of Occasional Services (8th resolve to D039).

Caelius Spinator

Oops... Thanks, Jay.

nathan

"Love precedes truth."

I'm a little concerned about how far he takes this. How can we love when we don't know the truth about humanity, about God?

In the past, a Pacific island tribe elder may have thought it was love to sacrifice a young virgin to a volcano each year - after all, he thought it would protect the village. If his love is not informed by truth (that the eruption of the volcano may have little to do with how many virgins are hurled into it), is it really love, or just generations of murdered young women?

J. C. Fisher

nathan, your analogy is preposterous. It can never be "love" to sacrifice another---only one's self.

Put love FIRST in your life, nathan---and then let that define "Truth" for you (the alternative is to tie yourself up in mental knots, capice?)

nathan

JC,

"It can never be "love" to sacrifice another"

I believe you can say that having been informed by truth.

David Huff

So, Fr. Salty, why so up on +Sauls ? (not that he doesn't seem, at first glance, like a good guy).

I've been thinking that +Alexander would be a good choice, myself. I enjoyed his recent book This Far by Grace, and I thought he did great work at the ACC last year. He also seems like he has both the heart & the backbone to stand up to the worst of the AAC/Network crowd.

John Wilkins

Hi David. I was one of +Neil's students, actually. He might be a very good presiding bishop, but we didn't have a very good chemistry. He is an excellent writer, a good scholar, and a good preacher. +Sauls, captures my imagination, however.

As far as Truth and love, go, love makes truth bearable. Truth makes love possible. Or something like that.

David Huff

Fr. Salty,

I'd like to hear more about why +Sauls captures your imagination. I just don't know that much about him...

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