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May 09, 2006

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Caelius Spinator

I would reserve judgment until I see a copy of this letter, but from the quotes I've seen, this letter is a poor attempt to argue for direct negotiations. I fear it may be intended to inflame tensions:

Would you close a letter to President Bush like this if you were the President of Iran and were trying to be conciliatory?

"We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point - that is the Almighty God.

"My question for you is, 'Do you not want to join them?'"

I mean if there had to be a zinger like that at the end, why not "Think carefully, Mr. President, what would Isa (PBUH) do?"

David Loving

I'd take them up on it.

dkp

i read the letter, or at least the translation of the letter available through le monde. while it does ramble, it also sounds like a letter written in classical islamic style, making points by asking questions, and by stringing questions together, which is a very different style of 'logic' from that which europeans and north americans privelege.

the letter itself struck me as not particularly threatening . . . indeed, as i read it, i kept looking for threatening language. despite its penchant for rambling, i think that old john wilkins in on point here: the letter (assuming the veracity of the le monde trans.) is simply an opening to dialogue, no matter how oblique.

if geo. bush wanted to, he could spin this very well, and in such a way that would actually decrease tensions. he could criticize the letter while calling it a start, or he could respond in kind. maybe m. albright has the right idea when she calls for 'secret talks' between u.s.a. and iran.

but from the latest headlines, bush doesn't want to spin it well. he wants to spin it in a way that will "rally his [ever-shrinking] base." lord help us all.


dkp

Art Deco

But Iran wants a few things. They might include pressure upon Pakistan to allow for a pipe through to India (Iran and India have had similar geopolitical interests); some assurance that we won't be belligerent. And some ways to develop an alternative energy plan that frees itself from oil dependency. Use just a little systems theory and you'll understand that what Iran wants is attention.


No I don't understand.

What is notable about your post is the number of declarative sentances indicating an absence of any sense of uncertainty either about what you read or how to parse it. People who have spent their lives studying the intersection of political affairs and military force come to divergent conclusions about a range of issues, our intelligence agencies have difficulty answering reliably some fairly discrete questions, and the number of Foreign Service officers conversant in Farsi can (one suspects, as it was the case in 1979) be counted on one's fingers.

You propose to take time off from writing your sermons to explain it all for them.

Caelius Spinator

Mea culpa, looking at the translation in Le Monde, it appears that the tack I proposed was indeed the tack. But I still can't shake the feeling that this wasn't a peace overture.

John Wilkins

Art Deco, I wonder if my forays into political expertise are upsetting to you. I'm just a parish priest, but I have little time for punditry. I don't believe most talking heads about many issues. Political scientists may have a broader range of knowledge, but I'm not shy about challenging them. I also spent two years in diplomatic environments, and found they had a wide range of skills sets. In fact, it is precisely because there are few foreign service people who speak farsi I distrust the quality of our decisions.

I don't think we even have many people who can understand what is openly going on in Iran.

Art, please note that this is a blog, and not a research paper.

I am open to the government hiring me for any work, and I know some talented scholars who are fluent in farsi, and am within two degrees of people in Indian intelligence. Who cares, though?

Art Deco

Art Deco, I wonder if my forays into political expertise are upsetting to you.

No, not especially.

I'm just a parish priest,

I know.


I don't believe most talking heads about many issues.

I would wager most of their stated views are derivative.


Political scientists may have a broader range of knowledge, but I'm not shy about challenging them.

Professional and intellectual subcultures may be hobbled in their understanding by certain habits of mind, 'tis true.

I also spent two years in diplomatic environments, and found they had a wide range of skills sets. In fact, it is precisely because there are few foreign service people who speak farsi I distrust the quality of our decisions.

They are likely to reciprocate that, and with some justice.


I don't think we even have many people who can understand what is openly going on in Iran.

That would not surprise me. A problem you do not mention is that the areal specialists we do have often have their expertise in the humanities and not in social research and have a reflexive antagonism to or contempt for state and society which renders them useless for public service. Martin Kramer has written on this topic.

Art, please note that this is a blog, and not a research paper.

I did not suggest you append reference footnotes to your commentary. I myself did not (though some people do provide links on occasion).

I am open to the government hiring me for any work

Does your Vestry, Bishop, or wife know this?

Some forms of expression are appropriate when we know what we are talking about, and some for when we have an idea or a sentiment about which we are talking.

Ellen Thunite

The Iranian President makes some excellent points in his letter.

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